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Old 04-20-2007, 01:17 AM   #1
NONITPIK
 
Default Bipolar here, there, and everywhere!

I lurk on a psych listserv, and someone commented on the increasingly common
diagnosis of bipolar. Looks like there will be a good discussion on the "fad"
of diagnosing bipolar.

I've seen nonmedical folks on the Internet (here, included) pushing bipolar all
the time, something that shouldn't be happening!
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Old 04-20-2007, 01:17 AM   #2
Jo Cohen
 
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"NONITPIK" <
> I lurk on a psych listserv, and someone commented on the

increasingly common
> diagnosis of bipolar. Looks like there will be a good discussion on

the "fad"
> of diagnosing bipolar.



Diagnoses definitely go through fads. However, Bi-Polar has, I
believe, been an often mis-or under-diagnosed condition for a long
time. Have you read "The BiPolar Child" Brenda? I actually think ADHD
is over-diagnosed more than anything. Our society these past few years
has become (at least in the US) a culture where the diagnostic
symptomatology of ADHD has become, in many ways, a phenomenology of
the times in which we live. In other words, the way we live impacts
our personalities, ways of being, coping mechanisms, etc. So in many
ways, it's become normalized behavior. I can't help but wonder if the
stresses of daily life are also impacting our moods, behaviors, etc so
that many more people present like they might have Bi-Polar, when they
do not.

Now, on the flip side, just as more folks with TS became diagnosed
after years of mis- and underdiagnosis when TS became more popular in
the media, thereby making it less of a "rare" disorder; perhaps the
same is happening with Bi-Polar (and other conditions) as clinicians
and doctors get more savvy and knowledgeable about how and when to
diagnose?

Jo


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Old 04-20-2007, 01:17 AM   #3
NONITPIK
 
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>Have you read "The BiPolar Child"

That's the book the psychs were blaming for the overdiagnosis of bipolar.

P.S. How's the job search going, Jo....I thought things were looking good for
you to start a new job, as soon as you got your license transferred. Whatever
happened with that?


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Old 04-20-2007, 01:17 AM   #4
Linda
 
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>Subject: Bipolar here, there, and everywhere!
>From: cyberbren@aol.comNONITPIK (NONITPIK)
>Date: 3/3/04 8:20 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <20040303112044.22770.00000693@mb-m10.aol.com>
>
>I lurk on a psych listserv, and someone commented on the increasingly common
>diagnosis of bipolar. Looks like there will be a good discussion on the "fad"
>of diagnosing bipolar.
>
>I've seen nonmedical folks on the Internet (here, included) pushing bipolar
>all
>the time, something that shouldn't be happening!
>


My objection to Bipolar disorder being dx'd in persons other than those with
classic manic depression is the kindling effect of so-called "MS's" is such
that empirical data evidenced those who took meds prescribed to relieve"mania"
or so called "hypomania" were 7 times more likely to have episodes of mania
after treatment with M/S's then persons whose socalled "mania" or "hypomania"
went untreated.

What I would like to know is if the kindling effect of anti-convulsants also
occurs in persons prescribed A/C's to prevent seizures, so that down the road
aways, the people who took A/C's for a little seizure activity wind up having
more and more seizures?

It seems to me I always wind up rueing the day I chose to try to FIX or
alleviate a symptom or impairment of any sort.

Because the kindling effect of everything I ever took to relieve a problem is
such---after initial relief, whatever I do always results in making the
problem worse

This isn't just true of psychotropic meds eitther...

meds which cause other people dry mouth, always caused me "dry eyes"---

I used visine to remedy my dry eyes--and my doing so exacerbated that problem
big time.

Same with coffee---for ADHD---cause you just build up tolerance--then you have
to keep drinking it just to have the level of alertness you had before you
started to drink it

Ironically, i HATED coffee--alway!!!

I liked tea!

The MORAL of my life----is one shoud endure whatever neuro symptoms one
has----because any attempt to relieve them only and always worsens the
symptoms, and often iatrogenically activates worse symptoms on top of the
original ones.


Linda

There's a lone soldier on the cross, smoke pourin' out of a boxcar door,
You didn't know it, you didn't think it could be done, in the final end he won
the wars
After losin' every battle.
---Bob Dylan Idiot Wind
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Old 04-20-2007, 01:17 AM   #5
Jo Cohen
 
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"NONITPIK" <cyberbren@aol.comNONITPIK> wrote in message
news:20040303123529.16260.00000677@mb-m11.aol.com...
> >Have you read "The BiPolar Child"

>
> That's the book the psychs were blaming for the overdiagnosis of

bipolar.
>
> P.S. How's the job search going, Jo....I thought things were

looking good for
> you to start a new job, as soon as you got your license transferred.

Whatever
> happened with that?
>
>


I'm doing a few different things right now. That company lost a few
clients (nursing homes) and restructured internally. I was bummed.


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Old 04-20-2007, 01:17 AM   #6
NONITPIK
 
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>I'm doing a few different things right now. That company lost a few
>clients (nursing homes) and restructured internally. I was bummed.


That is a shame. Something will turn up, eventually, I'm sure, but in the
meantime how are you supporting yourself?

BTW, I'm on another listserv (actually, it's called an online "conference"),
and yesterday the topic of the frequency of bipolar diagnoses was brought up,
too.

Seems like folks, everywhere, are questioning the quickness nowadays for the
diagnosis of bipolar.
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Old 04-20-2007, 01:17 AM   #7
NONITPIK
 
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>Have you read "The BiPolar Child"

Another interesting thing....apparently the book references "findings" from a
bp listserv?

Now how scientific is THAT? LOL

Why is this book pushed by people who insist on the utmost scientific rigor AT
ALL TIMES, and readily criticize authors and doctors who don't agree with them?
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Old 04-20-2007, 01:17 AM   #8
Jo Cohen
 
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"NONITPIK" <cyberbren@aol.comNONITPIK> wrote in message
news:20040305102245.12145.00000973@mb-m02.aol.com...
> >Have you read "The BiPolar Child"

>
> Another interesting thing....apparently the book references

"findings" from a
> bp listserv?


Among other places....findings can come from lots of places....

>
> Now how scientific is THAT? LOL
>
> Why is this book pushed by people who insist on the utmost

scientific rigor AT
> ALL TIMES, and readily criticize authors and doctors who don't agree

with them?

I don't think that statement is necessarily true, so I can't really
comment on it.

Jo


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Old 04-20-2007, 01:17 AM   #9
NONITPIK
 
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>I don't think that statement is necessarily true, so I can't really
>comment on it.


I didn't mean to say that everyone insists upon the utmost scientific rigor at
all times. Sorry, Jo.
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Old 04-20-2007, 01:17 AM   #10
Jo Cohen
 
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"NONITPIK" <cyberbren@aol.comNONITPIK> wrote in message
news:20040305112804.12145.00000974@mb-m02.aol.com...
> >I don't think that statement is necessarily true, so I can't really
> >comment on it.

>
> I didn't mean to say that everyone insists upon the utmost

scientific rigor at
> all times. Sorry, Jo.


No problem )


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Old 12-14-2007, 06:20 AM   #11
Lee Anne
 
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I think bipolar is a fad dx.

I was given a dx. Never took the meds for years. Then started having issues with anxiety. I have issues.

However like Linda said mood stabilizers can cause kindling.

I was given Topamax recently, only after a social phobia dx, and it started causing mild symptoms of mania. It also started causing startling problems, such as blood in the urine, which could mean damage to the kidneys.

My dumb doctor's reaction- "It's a mood stabilizer- it can't make you manic." A simple search pulled up a well documented medical extract on a woman who developed severe mania, without any prior history of a mood disorder. Are some doctors really this dumb?

I mentioned on a listserv one really bad experience as a patient, where I was dumped into a detox ward without any history of drugs or alcohol. I had not been drinking, and had not even had the drinking history at all to deserve to be there. The admitting nurse was being a particularly overzealous bitch. She wouldn't even tell me where she was sending me. I think all she saw was a young, very severely depressed girl, and an opportunity to take advantage. People don't always get into helping professions to help people.

I was hit with the bipolar hammer. Then given a lot of drugs. It took 5 days for them to dx me. And they gave me a lot of medication for what they called "a bit of bipolar disorder (bp 2)." Part of my med list included a mood stabilizer, an antidepressant, and a typical antipsychotic. All the while I was in this 'detox' I was medicated to the gills.

When I mentioned on a listserv my anger at this, someone said that great anger can be a sign of bipolar disorder. How about a sign that you are human, and not a complete mutton head, and angry at an injustice!!!

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Old 01-22-2008, 07:50 AM   #12
Sigma
 
Default Real - but over used?

I have to agree that there is a fad going around in terms of Bp dx's. However, Bp is very real, nowing full well the affects my self. And no, I didn't develop mania AFTER starting to take the medication.

Diagnosis & prescription of meds for chemical-inbalances in the brain is very difficult. That is why it's VERY important to do follow-ups with the person who prescribed the medication to you, so they can re-evaluate/adjust the dosage.

A lot of times, medication would be prescribed, which is in fact the wrong medication, but due to the patients feed back on the affects, a better diagnosis & medication can be given.

A healthy person WILL develop depression/anxiety/mania if given an anti-depressent. It's a door that swings both ways. That is why any shrink worth their salt, would tell you to phone them immediately if you feel any uncertainty about the affects of the medication, ESPETIALLY suicide. Some drugs such as Fluoxitine has been known to eleveate suicidal thoughts instead of suppressing them but that, once again, is due to the chemical balance in the patients brain.

Bp might just be a base diagnosis from where a shrink starts their diagnosis of other related conditions which is not as easy to identify initially.

What it comes down to, is that any form of mental diagnosis, is a life-long responsibility. You don't see a shrink once, get diagnosed and then never see them again. THAT is what causes the world to be filled with Bp-dx's.

Well, that's just my two cent's worth
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